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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » December 18, 2017, 2:22 pm

Harden was good, but I agree he's turned it up a notch.

Outside of individual postseason awards, it won't mean anything though unless he keeps his foot on the pedestal, come playoff time.

There's a rumor floating around the league that LeBron is headed to Houston. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby Koopa Troopa » December 20, 2017, 7:01 pm

shakespeare wrote:Harden was good, but I agree he's turned it up a notch.

Outside of individual postseason awards, it won't mean anything though unless he keeps his foot on the pedestal, come playoff time.

There's a rumor floating around the league that LeBron is headed to Houston. I'll believe it when I see it.



Well its the crews last chance to team up. Melo can opt out too. Get Bron and Melo and maybe even D Wade. All these guys are best friends and wanted this forever. Wouldnt be that surprised to see them want to ride out the end of their careers together.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby dcapodic » December 21, 2017, 11:04 am

shakespeare wrote:Harden was good, but I agree he's turned it up a notch.

Outside of individual postseason awards, it won't mean anything though unless he keeps his foot on the pedestal, come playoff time.

There's a rumor floating around the league that LeBron is headed to Houston. I'll believe it when I see it.


Great post shakes. Interesting on how you touch on two of the more interesting arguments:

Outside of individual postseason awards, it won't mean anything though unless he keeps his foot on the pedestal, come playoff time.


There have been many great players that did not win championships, including one admired quite a bit around these parts, Ewing. Yet, people will say you can't be "great" unless you win championships.

There's a rumor floating around the league that LeBron is headed to Houston. I'll believe it when I see it.


To all the people that call MD a chump....if Lebron did go there with "pals" and they won 3 out of the next 4 championships to throw on his already impressive accomplishments (coach of the year awards, etc.) would that then make him one of the greatest coaches of our time? The main thing that is brought up against him during discussions is his lack of championships.

So, he would go from chump to champ simply by a decision from Lebron. Not sure anyone's career should be judged like that but if you added a couple of 'ships to his resume I am not sure anyone could ever argue against him again.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby Koopa Troopa » December 21, 2017, 8:13 pm

dcapodic wrote:To all the people that call MD a chump....if Lebron did go there with "pals" and they won 3 out of the next 4 championships to throw on his already impressive accomplishments (coach of the year awards, etc.) would that then make him one of the greatest coaches of our time? The main thing that is brought up against him during discussions is his lack of championships.

So, he would go from chump to champ simply by a decision from Lebron. Not sure anyone's career should be judged like that but if you added a couple of 'ships to his resume I am not sure anyone could ever argue against him again.



I dont think thats fair. I think Mike D learned from his past. Mike D of 2017 wouldnt let Marbury rot on the bench for example. The guy has grown. Give him credit for that, but dont excuse him for his failures here.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby dcapodic » December 22, 2017, 2:10 pm

Koopa Troopa wrote:]


I dont think thats fair. I think Mike D learned from his past. Mike D of 2017 wouldnt let Marbury rot on the bench for example. The guy has grown. Give him credit for that, but dont excuse him for his failures here.


I think your opinion is fair koop, I just don't agree :) MD had extensive experience before he ever came to the Knicks and given the same set of circumstances might do the same today. It's not like I have seen any change in his coaching philosophy or his handling or other players since.

But I get where you are coming from. It is just many will not even acknowledge his abilities and accomplishments for silly reasons. Yours is not silly at all and I acknowledge that.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby Koopa Troopa » December 26, 2017, 6:14 pm

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/gary- ... s-oakland/

Reading this excellent article by GP the other day and it made me wonder about the current NBA. The way GP got molded by the vets on his franchise, and how other teams treated him sounds way different to how it is in the modern times.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby dcapodic » December 27, 2017, 10:53 am

Koopa Troopa wrote:https://www.theplayerstribune.com/gary-payton-supersonics-oakland/

Reading this excellent article by GP the other day and it made me wonder about the current NBA. The way GP got molded by the vets on his franchise, and how other teams treated him sounds way different to how it is in the modern times.


Thanks for posting the link, koop. God read. You are right, it is a different era, in and out of the league. Not too much tough love around, more the "hand holding, let's work it out and experience the journey together" type and everyone gets a trophy leagues.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » December 28, 2017, 8:49 am

spree#8 wrote:A good read on the Thunder (and why they shouldn't panic): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... e-fixable/


You said it.

Don't look now, but here comes OKC.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby taowave » December 29, 2017, 1:59 pm

Melo is a completely different player,and Russ is back to being Russ..

Interestingly, they are a really good defensive squad
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » December 30, 2017, 10:06 am

Did anyone see Westbrook's dunk on Thon Maker?

Nasty.

https://youtu.be/ZrtJlNmCxds
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby taowave » January 9, 2018, 1:27 pm

WestBrook is NASTY...

Hes got that one handed dunk thing taking no prisoners

On another note,that Spencer Dinwiddie on the Nets is pretty dam good



shakespeare wrote:Did anyone see Westbrook's dunk on Thon Maker?

Nasty.

https://youtu.be/ZrtJlNmCxds
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby taowave » January 20, 2018, 6:55 pm

Cleveland about to give up 150 pts to the Thunder... Yikes

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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby big_j_NY » January 20, 2018, 7:06 pm

After Lebron steered the Cavs away from the TANK TRAIN earlier this season, the return of lil Isiah brought the Cavs back on the path of the TANK TRAIN
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » January 21, 2018, 12:45 pm

Why isn’t anyone taking about Miami and Young Whiteside?

Heat are 27-19 and, barring serious injury, looking like they might climb higher before it’s all said and done.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby spree#8 » January 21, 2018, 1:40 pm

shakespeare wrote:Why isn’t anyone taking about Miami and Young Whiteside?

Heat are 27-19 and, barring serious injury, looking like they might climb higher before it’s all said and done.


Because they don't have a very high ceiling. They gave all their cap to lots of good role players without much star potential. Working as hard as ever and getting good results in the bad Eastern Conference, but they don't look like trouble for years to come. Just a nice, hard working, blue collar club. Basically better Pistons. Maybe they prove such thoughts wrong and we have to take notice.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » January 23, 2018, 11:01 am

I know some teams with All-NBA talent that do nothing but collect paychecks. That said, I’d trade Porzingis and Ntili for Whiteside and Dragic.

Not to mention New York has no cap space, either.

It’s okay to give Miami props.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby spree#8 » January 25, 2018, 5:09 pm

shakespeare wrote:I know some teams with All-NBA talent that do nothing but collect paychecks. That said, I’d trade Porzingis and Ntili for Whiteside and Dragic.

Not to mention New York has no cap space, either.

It’s okay to give Miami props.


God, that would jump atop to be one of the worst Knicks trades ever. Trading a 22 year old who is the best of the four together with your 19 year old point guard project for a 28 year old center without an offensive game and a 31 year old point guard? WTF is that? :? Worst trade idea I have heard in a long time.

Give them props without targeting anyone in trades. Please, Shakes, we want to build a younger, exciting team! BTW: we are right at the cap (and only if everyone opts in), so it won't be hard to create space at all - if that's what we want/need.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby taowave » January 25, 2018, 7:13 pm

That's s bold move Shakes...

I was up for moving KP to the Celts for the rumored slew of draft picks and young talent,but wouldn't do it for Whiteside and Dragic..

Miami is suprisingly good.

shakespeare wrote:I know some teams with All-NBA talent that do nothing but collect paychecks. That said, I’d trade Porzingis and Ntili for Whiteside and Dragic.

Not to mention New York has no cap space, either.

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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » January 26, 2018, 2:17 pm

spree#8 wrote:
God, that would jump atop to be one of the worst Knicks trades ever.


Aww, c’mon Spree, as a Knick fan, you’ve survived worse. Lol.

The trade is basically Dragic and Whiteside for Porzingis.

Ntili is filler.
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Re: Around the NBA 2017-18

Postby shakespeare » January 26, 2018, 2:21 pm

taowave wrote:That's bold move Shakes...



Thanks. Lol.

I’m confused though. You devalue Porzingis without fail. Yet, wouldn’t trade him for Dragic and Whiteside? So which is it: Does Porzingis own great value or not?

Seriously, I honestly can’t name the last time New York had a defensive minded center and a true point guard, at the same time.
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