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Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » January 19, 2015, 3:38 pm

I created this thread because I feel Mudiay has unfairly been given a bad rap for choosing to play in the CBA over taking the expected NCAA route.

I've also linked this article in order to provide more insight on Mudiay's journey to the NBA. Maybe it will help to clarify some things for those you who simply just don't get it.

It’s 2014, and 18-year-old Emmanuel Mudiay is learning about a new city. As he tries to familiarize himself with Guangdong in Southern China, he dabbles in learning a little bit of Mandarin, embracing the new culture, dealing with the bumps and grinds on the basketball court and the attention a blossoming star gets off of it.

It’s 1999, and 3-year-old Mudiay has picked up a basketball for the first time in his life. He knows what the round object is, but beyond feeling the texture of the ball, he doesn’t think much of it. In Kinshasa, the capital of Congo and Mudiay’s birthplace, there are more pressing matters to consider, like the Second Congo War, which turns into the deadliest conflict on Earth since World War II.

It’s 2002, and Mudiay has a basketball in his hands again. He’s 6 years old and playing in his first organized game. The texture of the ball may not have changed as much, but everything else in his life has. Mudiay’s family has left the violence and the hunger of central Africa behind them. He’s in Dallas, TX, settling into a new country, a new culture.

We’re back in 2014, and that bouncy ball has changed his life. Mudiay has just wrapped up his stellar high school years as a consensus All-American, and convinced scouts that he is set to become one of the NBA’s top Draft picks. He seems to be destined to take the popular one-and-done route through college. He has even committed to the SMU Mustangs. Only, he decides to break from tradition, refuses to let NBA rules determine his chosen path, forgoes college and goes pro.

In November of 2014, Emmanuel Mudiay plays his first official professional game of basketball, representing the Chinese Basketball Association’s (CBA) Guangdong Southern Tigers. A few months before the start of the CBA season, Under Armour inks him to a lucrative, multi-year contract that will span his time in China and a (hopefully successful) early NBA career, reaffirming the faith of many in the young guard’s potential.

Before an ankle injury sidelines him just 10 days into the season, Mudiay shows glimpses of dominance for a team with championship aspirations.

Mudiay’s China adventure took a twist toward uncertainty after his injury. At the time of writing, Guangdong had replaced Mudiay in its lineup with former Detroit Piston Will Bynum, and there was no offical confirmation from the team that Mudiay would take the floor again before the CBA season concludes. That said, we spoke to a source in the US who is close to Mudiay’s camp who assured us that Emmanuel has every intention of getting healthy and finishing his season in Guangdong, and that the Southern Tigers are (smartly) happy to have him.

Regardless of any uncertainty around Mudiay’s future, it’s guaranteed to be as interesing, if not moreso, than his past.

You’ll hear from him a lot more in the coming months, whether he is helping Guangdong make a push for the CBA championship or impressing scouts at pre-Draft workouts in preparation for the NBA.

From Congo to Dallas to China, Mudiay has already charted a course that has taken him further at 18 years than most people get to go in their lifetime. But for the young phenom, this is just the beginning; With an ambitious, long-term plan for his future, Mudiay wants to leave no doubt that his tomorrow will be better than his yesterday.

In China, I speak to Mudiay about the journey and struggles of yesterday, the juncture at which he stands today, and his ever-so-bright tomorrow.

“It’s a blessing,” he says, “It makes me happy, but at the same time, I’m not satisfied. I’m still working as if I’m struggling. That’s my mindset and I’ll work like that ’til the last game I play in my career. I don’t wanna see nobody in my family, my kids, my grandkids, struggling for money. I know I’m still young, but I think that far ahead.”

Mudiay was just an infant in Kinshasha, capital of the country formerly known as Zaire, when he lost his father. After the First Congo War, Zaire became the Democratic Republic of Congo. Peace didn’t last much longer: By 1998 the large-scale Second Congo War displaced and destroyed the lives of millions in Congo and nearby nations, mostly from disease and starvation.

“I don’t remember much of that time,” Mudiay says. “I just remember that my mom and my brothers had to all take care of each other.”

In 2001­—when Emmanuel was 5 years old—his family was granted asylum to the USA and found a home in Dallas. The adjustment to a new culture was much easier for him as the youngest member of the family. “For me, it was OK,” he recalls, “but for my older and middle brother it was a little bit different. They were older. But eventually, we all settled.”

The rest has been pretty well-documented history. Mudiay grew into a 6-5 point guard, blessed with the explosiveness, strength, open-court athleticism to match the world’s best and the size to overpower many others who play his position. He excelled at Arlington (TX) Grace Preparatory and then Prime Prep (of Deion Sanders’ fame/infamy) in Dallas, capping off his high-school career with invites to the Jordan Brand Classic and the McDonald’s All-American Game, as well as a commitment to nearby SMU, where he could have had a chance a play for legendary head coach Larry Brown.

But instead of heading to SMU, Mudiay took the road less traveled to play professionally overseas to fill in the year between high school and the NBA. He chose China over college, a decision that came with its share of doubts and questions in the basketball world.

“I didn’t wanna see my mom and my family struggling no more,” Mudiay says. “They’re my motivation. My family is good now, but I’m thinking about their kids, my kids…I never wanna see them struggle.


“My goal is to be in the NBA, but right now, I’m just trying to get better and learn as much as I can to get to the next level. People are gonna talk, and whether it’s good or bad, I only care about my team and let God decide the rest.”

Mudiay’s decision has rubbed some critics the wrong way, as they fear his decision might boost the tide of young players choosing big money in leagues like China instead of a shot at college. Even Coach Brown—who still maintains a strong relationship with Mudiay—told a few publications back home that, although he was excited for the young Emmanuel’s future, he wasn’t too high on the precedent that it might set for others.

When I shared Brown’s comments with Mudiay, his response displayed a maturity far beyond his years. “He’s right,” Mudiay says. “I got a lot of respect for Coach Brown. I know he’s proud of me and what I’m doing. But this decision is not for everybody. The opportunity was there for me so I took it. Some people might wanna do it, some might not. It’s different for everyone.

“I’m here with my family and that’s helping me a lot. Your circle has to be strong. For the long run this was the better choice for me. [Coach Brown] is probably right: This is not for everybody. But for me it was the best thing. If more players do it, I hope that they’ll be mentally ready and have the right people around them.”

Before his ankle sprain in late November, Mudiay’s early performances in China displayed glimpses of the potential that has made so many scouts rank him as one of the top picks in the upcoming NBA Draft. By his third professional game, he had notched a triple-double. In Guangdong’s win over Qingdao, Mudiay had 29 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists and 4 steals. Through the 10 games he played in before the ankle injury and before we went to press, Mudiay was averaging close to 18 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists per game in China.

But CBA stats should be taken with a pinch of wei jing. This is a league where, a month into the new season, undrafted American Errick McCollum was averaging over 40 points per game. Former Brooklyn schoolboy hero and short-time Sacramento King Quincy Douby channeled his inner Wilt Chamberlain a couple seasons ago by dropping 75 points in a game, a CBA scoring record.

In most cases, the foreign or “import” players in the CBA (usually, each team is allowed only two) are handed the responsibilities of dominating every aspect of the team’s play on the court and the stat sheets. But Mudiay’s Guangdong has long been an exception to the rule. The Southern Tigers usually have a much more democratic approach, where each player—even the most talented imports, such as Mudiay—have had to play as a part of the system instead of becoming the system itself. Currently, Guangdong features seven players from the Chinese national team, including four-time CBA MVP and former NBA Lottery pick Yi Jianlian.

“Most teams want [the import players] to just score,” says Mudiay of his time with Guangdong. “But here, they want us to be part of the team, not just focus on scoring. We have a gameplan to follow, of course, but Coach [Du Feng] lets me play my game, whether that’s finding teammates or scoring myself. Whatever the ‘D’ shows me, that’s how I play. Being a point guard, you have to be a leader from Day One. I’m an 18-year-old, directing 30-year-old men on court.”


It’s the end of 2014 and as he tries to capitalize on the present moment, Emmanuel Mudiay—still a few months shy of his 19th birthday—is keeping a watchful eye on the future.

I ask Mudiay if he has already charted a vision for the rest of his career. He leaves no doubt that there is already a highly detailed blueprint. “Oh yeah, I know what I want by the time I’m 40 years old. I won’t be satisfied until I’m in the Hall of Fame. I won’t be satisfied until I’m that successful. Everybody says that they want to be the best, but when I say it, believe me, I really mean it,” Mudiay emphasizes.

“I love new challenges—I’m going through one right now. So anything that comes by way, I’ll be ready. No doubt, my goal is to be the No. 1 pick. It takes a lot of hard work, but I’m putting in that work and I’m keeping my faith. Honestly, it’s all faith. I’m a very spiritual person. Everything I do—sports, school—I just have to credit God before any decision. It’s been a blessed journey and it’s far from over. I’m only 18, but the best is yet to come. I’ll keep working.”

He's easily my choice for our top pick in the upcoming draft.
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Re: Emmanuel Mudiay Thread...

Postby rebound » January 19, 2015, 7:43 pm

he'd look good next to galloway.
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Postby nazrmohamed » January 19, 2015, 8:42 pm

I would not be unhappy if we drafted him. Wouldve loved to see him at the college level but it is what it is.
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Re: Emmanuel Mudiay Thread...

Postby DolanCurse2001 » January 19, 2015, 9:38 pm



Mudiay is like a Wall-Wade cyborg. I just wish we could see him play more but I wouldn't be the least upset if we took him.
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Postby cragganmor » January 20, 2015, 10:29 pm

he has elite athleticism and size, great handle and vision. just needs to hone his j and get more pro-level experience. while it made sense to get a paycheck and play against older competition, i don't think the level of talent is there in the cba and he would have learned under larry brown, much better than any learning experience in any asian league for an 18 y.o. top talent. what's done is done and he'll still have a great pro career ahead of him.
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Postby DolanCurse2001 » January 22, 2015, 3:07 pm

Mudiay Remains In China

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mudiay-chinaWhat happened to Emmanuel Mudiay? The answer is everything and nothing. The teenage point guard and future NBA pick is still in China, but he isn’t playing much.

The player who arrived in China to tremendous fanfare and media interest a few months ago has not played a minute in the CBA since injuring himself in an early-season game with the Xinjiang Tigers. Since then, Guangdong, the team that brought Mudiay to China, have given his minutes to former Detroit Pistons guard Will Bynum. The change-up appears to have paid off and Guangdong is currently 28-3 and likely owners of the second seed in the upcoming CBA playoffs.

Mudiay, it increasingly appears, will not feature in those playoffs and instead is simply working himself back into full fitness for his pre-draft workouts. Photos taken as recently as last week appear to show Mudiay working out with Guangdong trainers at the team’s facilities.

What this all indicates is the Guangdong, one of the league’s richer clubs, are content to keep Mudiay around if they need him. Bynum, averaging 22.3 points and 6.6 assists a game since arriving, is the top dog now and Guangdong look set to rely on his steady play rather than the talented but raw Mudiay. All of this means the teenager will presumably stay in China until late February when his contract is up, and he can return to America to formally work-out for NBA GMs.
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Postby Don Che » January 22, 2015, 6:11 pm

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Re: Emmanuel Mudiay Thread...

Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » January 23, 2015, 9:38 am

Mudiay, rolled his ankle almost 2 months ago. :?

Personally, him shutting it down to assure that he'll be completely healthy and ready for the NBA tells me that he has his priorities in order.

To be honest the bigger story would have been, Mudiay rushes back from injury ahead of schedule to help the Guangdong Southern Tigers make a playoff run... Now that would have raised some red flags.

On another note there's way too much money to be made for the NCAA's for them to accept Mudiay's CBA path to the pros... And for that reason alone THEY definitely ain't gonna help promote high school'ers taking the International route over college ball. So it makes perfect sense to tear this trend down before it even begins. That said, the seeds have already been planted.
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Postby nazrmohamed » January 24, 2015, 12:20 pm

You better be right about this guy KFISF. He better not end up the next Tyreke Evans who came in with ROTY skills but then plateau early. But he definitely got the skills that kill, Ill tell you that.

And I still am telling you right now. Do not be surprised if Phil takes him and sees him as a perfect compliment to a traditional, heady, great shooting perimeter PG who is safe and boring.....Just like Calderon. I look at Mudaiy and he's 6'5, he's got a decent muscular makeup which could get even more refined. He can take anyone off the dribble.

I just think that even in liking him you are limiting him. I think based on the videos I see this dude could break lots of ankles at SG, and be at the rim in .003 seconds. Sure he'll be a combo guard but those are the best SGs to me. The Hardens, the Wades, even Kobe who is more considered a highly skilled midrange shooter these days really became who he is today with pg skills at the sg spot. Jordan was a point SG.

I dint think because he's played pg means he has to be a pg, in fact to me the fact that he was a point guard will help him in his next evolution, especially once he improves his shooting himself. And maybe is about how bad Calderon looks but in that case I could always get Beverley and feel the same way. My point is I think we need a prolific SG in this system more than anyone else.

But we had the whole triangle conversation already. You know where my heads at. I just don't wanna hear any cancer talk later when Mudaiy isn't doing what the triangle wants him to do....yet individually he's dominating. It's like Im actually avoiding conflict from the start.
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Postby qdman » January 24, 2015, 1:55 pm

fuck college
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Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » January 25, 2015, 10:19 pm

nazrmohamed wrote:You better be right about this guy KFISF. He better not end up the next Tyreke Evans who came in with ROTY skills but then plateau early. But he definitely got the skills that kill, Ill tell you that.

And I still am telling you right now. Do not be surprised if Phil takes him and sees him as a perfect compliment to a traditional, heady, great shooting perimeter PG who is safe and boring.....Just like Calderon. I look at Mudaiy and he's 6'5, he's got a decent muscular makeup which could get even more refined. He can take anyone off the dribble.

I just think that even in liking him you are limiting him. I think based on the videos I see this dude could break lots of ankles at SG, and be at the rim in .003 seconds. Sure he'll be a combo guard but those are the best SGs to me. The Hardens, the Wades, even Kobe who is more considered a highly skilled midrange shooter these days really became who he is today with pg skills at the sg spot. Jordan was a point SG.

I dint think because he's played pg means he has to be a pg, in fact to me the fact that he was a point guard will help him in his next evolution, especially once he improves his shooting himself. And maybe is about how bad Calderon looks but in that case I could always get Beverley and feel the same way. My point is I think we need a prolific SG in this system more than anyone else.

But we had the whole triangle conversation already. You know where my heads at. I just don't wanna hear any cancer talk later when Mudiay isn't doing what the triangle wants him to do....yet individually he's dominating. It's like Im actually avoiding conflict from the start.

I better be right? Why is it that you wanna hold me accountable for Mudiay's progress?

And enough with all this convert Mudiay into a SG talk. He hasn't even played in an NBA game yet and you're ready to change his position. Not to mention its January the guy is still over in China and you've already managed to call him a cancer for not being able to adapt to the Triangle as the lead PG. Slow yaself down, nazr... It's way too early for you to be stressing over all of these so-called issues that you yourself have created.

But let's play hypothetical's for a moment. If we were to have let's say Rose or Wall would you also wanna convert them into SG's in order to play in Phil's system?
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Postby big_j_NY » January 25, 2015, 11:27 pm

Actually if nazr understood the Triangle better, Mudiay doesn't even have to change his position at all..................the "jobs" of each guard position can switch.

Mudiay can fit the Triangle as a PG, if we quit believing that there is actually a PG position in the Triangle. The Triangle has an "attacking guard" and a "caretaker guard, which you can fit a PG or SG into either of those roles.

I have no idea why nazr entirely believes we need to replicate the Lakers Triangle (the one with spot-up shooting PGs in the offense) and have a spot-up shooter as PG and attackers as SGs. We're not getting Kobe or Jordan anytime soon, man.
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Postby nazrmohamed » January 26, 2015, 8:23 am

Well if that's the case then I also think our SG can't be the offset of Mudaiy. To me it won't be enough then to say that Mudaiy is my slasher and our SG I'd some three point specialist. Because I WILL want to see Mudaiy have some freedom to attack and I haven't seen a pick and roll all year with our current team to set that up. So he'll have to come off the ball a bit. That makes someone like Wesley Matthews so much more valuable than Green to me.
But again, therein lies my problem. I still have to fill the PF and C positions via free agency. And if we do one big on a small team the guy has to be a defensive anchor with the ability to post up. Good luck with that.
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Postby washingtonparkjones » January 27, 2015, 10:05 pm

I don't like how he holds the ball low before jumping in all those dunks. Looks flawed in many ways.
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Postby taowave » January 28, 2015, 10:12 am

From a skills development point of view, he made a massive mistake going to China as opposed to spending one year under coach Brown.At the college level,there is no better education for a PG than time with Brown..

With that said, I despise the NCAA archaic way of thinking..
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Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » January 28, 2015, 10:57 am

taowave wrote:From a skills development point of view, he made a massive mistake going to China as opposed to spending one year under coach Brown.At the college level,there is no better education for a PG than time with Brown..

With that said, I despise the NCAA archaic way of thinking..

The fact that he WANTED to play for Brown above all the other coaches again let's me know that this kid has his head on straight. For whatever reason it just didn't work out for him.
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Postby nazrmohamed » January 28, 2015, 2:19 pm

Well all I know is that Larry Brown has done nothing but soak glaringly about this kid and we know that Mudaiy is a scoring guard and typically he loves the Eric Snow of the world. So that says allot.
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Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » February 4, 2015, 9:53 am

As the old adage goes, no news is good news. But when it comes to Emmanuel Mudiay, the lack of information is more confusing than anything else. Indeed, it has been over a month since Mudiay injured his ankle and since then, the potential lottery draft pick has not been seen or heard from in any real capacity. In the meantime, Mudiay’s team, the Guangdong Tigers, have gone on a 25-game winning streak and China appears to have forgotten about a player who was once the biggest story in the CBA.

Behind the scenes, however, Mudiay is doing well and seems to be making the most of his quiet time away from the cameras. Photos have appeared recently on social media and elsewhere showing the teenage point guard working out with trainers at Guangdong’s facilities. The Tigers have made no formal announcement on the situation, but what seems to be happening is a mutually beneficial agreement for both sides. Guangdong, currently enjoying a record breaking winning streak in the CBA, seems content to keep the roster as it is. This means that Will Bynum, brought in as an injury replacement for Mudiay, will stay with the team for the rest of the season. Mudiay, on the other hand, will stay around the facilities, seemingly existing as an emergency backup for Bynum, but at the same time preparing for the looming NBA draft workouts.

As agreements go, this one is a slam-dunk, particularly for the player. Mudiay will presumably still get paid his full contract and, unlike his contemporaries currently paying in college, will have no NCAA commitments that dictate how he can spend his time. Instead, already recovered from the minor injury that sent him to the sidelines in early December, Mudiay can now prepare to put on a show for NBA scouts.

Though some might argue that Mudiay’s lack of playing time will affect his draft stock, history suggests otherwise. For example, Kyrie Irving played fleetingly with Duke until injury ended his season, but the guard still ended up being picked No. 1 in the 2011 draft. Scouts will be assessing Mudiay in workouts to make sure he has no injury concerns, but otherwise, like all one-and-done players, NBA teams are drafting based on potential as much as anything else. By being left alone to prepare relentlessly for those workouts, its possible that Mudiay is in fact in the best situation of all the potential draft picks.

With the playoffs set to start in a few days time, Mudiay will presumably be watching them from the sidelines. In the short term, it may be frustrating for the player, but in the long term, Mudiay has achieved his aims: He has been paid like a professional, he has lived as a professional, and his draft stock remains undented. Mission accomplished, it appears.

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Postby ISIAH_THOMAS » February 5, 2015, 10:49 pm

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New DX Scouting Video breaking down Emmanuel Mudiay's 10-game stint with Guangdong of the CBA http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... udiay-4812
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Postby DolanCurse2001 » February 6, 2015, 9:45 am

Mudiay has great size and I like how he's able to finish with both hands with contact and his change of speeds. You see a lot of Wade and Wall in his game.
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