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Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Championship 16/17 » February 14, 2016, 10:41 am

The knicks should have about 19 million for FA in 2016. About 24 million if we waive Calderon, which the knicks should do if they are unable to trade this stellar specimen. That's probably enough to sign a max player, but I feel the knicks should go the second-tier player route to maximize money and build a more competitive and deeper team. I would like Phil to pry Jordan Clarkson from the Los Angeles Lakers with a 3 year 40-45 million contract to be our starting PG. I think this kid can create off the dribble, displays solid PG ability, and he plays with an edge that's key for New York. I think the Lakers will let him go after focusing and acquiring two max players to join forces. The 2nd free agent the knicks should focus on is Lance Stephenson, 3 year 15-17 million contract, Lance has the play making ability, superior ball handler, and defender you want to see in the triangle. He also plays with an edge that maybe could get Melo out of the friend zone when facing Lebron and Wade. 3rd player to get is Nene, he takes high percentage shots and is tough or just resign Kevin Seraphin. Assuming Thibs is our coach and everyone plays to their role and no weaklinks, I think this is a championship team.

Starters
PG: Jordan Clarkson
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Robin Lopez

Bench
PG: Langston Galloway/Jerian Grant
SG: Arron Affalo
SF: Derrick Williams (get rid on the kid from duke)
PF: Kyle Q Quinn (he needs to be the first big on the bench, too much talent)
C: Nene/Seraphin
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby cragganmor » February 14, 2016, 11:41 am

waiving jose does not make the $7.7m owed to him next season go away; he has a guaranteed contract, no team option. we would have to trade him for an expring, but nobody wants him and phil will not give up a future 1st rounder. best chance to move him is over the summer when some team wants cap flexibility for the summer of '17 when the cap jumps yet again.

lance might be a good pickup but only on a very small deal; he has to prove that he's focused on ballin', has not done that for charlotte or the clips. he doesn't seem to be handling the distractions well, would coming home make it easier? $15m over 3 years is too much for a guy that has been unproductive for several years. would rather take a chance on a hungry dl'er like deandre liggins or russ smith.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Minkaveli » February 14, 2016, 12:42 pm

Looks like a 5-6 seed to me and not a championship team.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Don Che » February 14, 2016, 1:30 pm

Mink..we wont go from this team to a championship next year

That roster isnt bad..not sure that Jordan is the answer or ...i dont know if Jordan is actually "that good" or just an aggressive player.

Since Langston and Jordan are from the same draft class..i kinda want to see Gallo be a better player than Jordan but I do like what Jordan brings..just not sure of his role on a good team.

Jordan and Lance vs Evan Fournier/Evan Turner and Langston

First might win in talent...2nd wins financiallyand maybe chemistry wise since Langston will have 2 years of the same system..chemistry and synergy helps as many rotation players/starters we can keep and maximize the better
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Championship 16/17 » February 14, 2016, 1:53 pm

You could waive Calderon under the stretch provision. Doing so after 1 July 2016, can create 5 million in 2016 FA.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Championship 16/17 » February 14, 2016, 2:01 pm

Mink....a 6 seed has won a championship before. Look at the 99 knicks playoff run too, 8th seed Knicks made it to the finals. It's not about seeding, it's about believing :D
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Minkaveli » February 14, 2016, 2:08 pm

Don Che wrote:Mink..we wont go from this team to a championship next year

That roster isnt bad..not sure that Jordan is the answer or ...i dont know if Jordan is actually "that good" or just an aggressive player.

Since Langston and Jordan are from the same draft class..i kinda want to see Gallo be a better player than Jordan but I do like what Jordan brings..just not sure of his role on a good team.

Jordan and Lance vs Evan Fournier/Evan Turner and Langston

First might win in talent...2nd wins financiallyand maybe chemistry wise since Langston will have 2 years of the same system..chemistry and synergy helps as many rotation players/starters we can keep and maximize the better


I know. Read OP's last sentence in the post. Says "Assuming Thibs is our coach and everyone plays to their role and no weaklinks, I think this is a championship team"
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Championship 16/17 » February 14, 2016, 2:12 pm

Jordan clarkson is better then Galloway. Just his handles and athleticism is far superior, he can get in the lane and cause havoc.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby cragganmor » February 14, 2016, 3:12 pm

Championship 16/17 wrote:You could waive Calderon under the stretch provision. Doing so after 1 July 2016, can create 5 million in 2016 FA.


my bad, i calculated the stretch incorrectly.

while i agree with the approach of using fa to bring in another worthy player to build around melo, i'd opt to go with swings. not a leap to think that gallo and jerian will be solid and consistent at the 1 next year. while i like derozan's game, i am suspicious of his injury history; likewise with beal. would rather spend wisely on a less injury-prone player like fournier, batum or barnes. use some money for depth, get a vet like marvin williams or joe johnson.

i'd also sign a specialist like russ smith for playing small ball and picking up the tempo; he's more versatile than ish smith.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Don Che » February 14, 2016, 3:34 pm

My bad Mink didnt see that part.

Cragg you'd welcome Barnes here?...he is definately not a 2 tho...nor even a passer for that matter...he's another finisher.

We need some creators
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby big_j_NY » February 14, 2016, 3:38 pm

Championship 16/17 wrote:You could waive Calderon under the stretch provision. Doing so after 1 July 2016, can create 5 million in 2016 FA.


Or we can just waive him completely instead of stretching his money for additional years. If you can't trade him in the summer, you can't trade him in the summer..........the best you can do is ELIMINATE HIM FROM THE ACTIVE ROSTER.

There is no long-term benefit from using a "stretch provision" on AN EXPIRING CONTRACT. If we were doing a stretch provision on Robin Lopez's contract, that's a different story.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby taowave » February 14, 2016, 5:18 pm

While I would normally agree on 1 year stretching, Phil may have royally fucked up with the granting of second year player options. . We can't afford to miss out on a key player because we have 13 mil tied up in guys who aren't difference makers.

Not advocating stretching Jose,but if we need to come up with 4 mil spending money, so be it.

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Or we can just waive him completely instead of stretching his money for additional years. If you can't trade him in the summer, you can't trade him in the summer..........the best you can do is ELIMINATE HIM FROM THE ACTIVE ROSTER.

There is no long-term benefit from using a "stretch provision" on AN EXPIRING CONTRACT. If we were doing a stretch provision on Robin Lopez's contract, that's a different story.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby Mr3037 » February 14, 2016, 5:28 pm

I wouldnt mind that squad and I would stretch the fuck out of that provision thing if it meant we (A) got rid of Jose for next season and (B) had an extra 5mil in cap room.

So is the 'Plan A' again going to be throwing all our 20ish million to guys like DeRozan, KD, BarnesConley? With 'Plan B' being something closer to Championship 16/17's team above? As in splitting the say 20 on hopefully 2 of Clarkson, Stephenson, Batum, Rondo, Noah, Turner, Jennings....?
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby cragganmor » February 14, 2016, 7:30 pm

Don Che wrote:My bad Mink didnt see that part.

Cragg you'd welcome Barnes here?...he is definately not a 2 tho...nor even a passer for that matter...he's another finisher.

We need some creators


i think that we will get enough shot creation if we stick with the system, get guys that understand a motion offense, are multi-dimensional. barnes is a better dwill; certainly a better defender and rebounder, can get the ball in the cup, has much better efficiency from downtown. he's not jimmy butler but he's got enough versatility to help us a lot, plus he's still only 23, has not entered his prime. i think if you give him that role, to slash and create, then he's capable of growing his game.

as melo ages, he'll be better off at the 4, so put barnes in at the 3, kp at the 5, play an uptempo spread the floor offense.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby nazrmohamed » February 14, 2016, 7:41 pm

I take plan A any day if its an elite wing.

I probably take plan B over blowing 20mil on any PG, I can tell you that much. Unless his name were Russell Westbrook, I probably will never endorse a max contract PG.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby big_j_NY » February 14, 2016, 8:16 pm

cragganmor wrote:i think that we will get enough shot creation if we stick with the system, get guys that understand a motion offense, are multi-dimensional. barnes is a better dwill; certainly a better defender and rebounder, can get the ball in the cup, has much better efficiency from downtown. he's not jimmy butler but he's got enough versatility to help us a lot, plus he's still only 23, has not entered his prime. i think if you give him that role, to slash and create, then he's capable of growing his game.

as melo ages, he'll be better off at the 4, so put barnes in at the 3, kp at the 5, play an uptempo spread the floor offense.


Yeah, this is where we are gonna disagree cragg. I wholeheartedly agree with Don, we need some more shot makers on this roster.........better yet, this offense period.

This Triangle Offense has no proof that you can win with "low-tier stars" with little to none shot-creating ability and we need the top-tier "creating talent" that we can get. Hell, any system has needed a shot creator in order to win a title.......even Popovich's Spurs teams needed shot-makers to get a title.

Unless Larry Brown is the coach running this team, we need to quit settling for "off-ball guys" and start finding that wing player that can make it easier for everyone else to score including himself. This isn't the 2004 Pistons team we're trying to create here, and if we did.......that team only got 1 title out of its 3-4 year run with its core squad.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby taowave » February 14, 2016, 9:25 pm

2 World Titles after losing in the finals..

big_j_NY wrote: This isn't the 2004 Pistons team we're trying to create here, and if we did.......that team only got 1 title out of its 3-4 year run with its core squad.
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby big_j_NY » February 14, 2016, 9:35 pm

taowave wrote:2 World Titles after losing in the finals


3 Titles in Franchise history.........but the 3-4 year core of Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Sheed, and Big Ben only netted 1.

If you're talking about the Bad Boys Pistons for their 2 title wins back in the late 80s, that team had Zeke as their shot-creator........remember that. This is the argument I'm making a point out of
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby taowave » February 14, 2016, 9:39 pm

Stand corrected. .when I hear Pistons,I go straight to Bad Boys era.
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3 Titles in Franchise history.........but the 3-4 year core of Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Sheed, and Big Ben only netted 1.

If you're talking about the Bad Boys Pistons for their 2 title wins back in the late 80s, that team had Zeke as their shot-creator........remember that. This is the argument I'm making a point out of
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Re: Second-tier FA 2016 plan

Postby ISIAH_THOMAS » February 14, 2016, 10:06 pm

Second-tier FA 2016 plan

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