Knicks 2018-2019 roster discussion

[NewlyKnicked]

Still a long time before the season starts, so we shouldn't agree that quickly or we'll get bored

[shakespeare]

Emmanuel Mudiay’s Latent Longevity Question on the Knicks:

https://theknickswall.com/emmanuel-mudi ... on-knicks/

Good read.

I haven’t given up on Mudiay, the one player on the roster that—if he wakes up and gets it—can change the entire dynamic of our offense.

[taowave]

Wishful thinking

[shakespeare]

Wishful thinking

Perhaps.

[thewatcher]

I'm with you shakes, I still have some hope left for Emmanuel.

[nazrmohamed]

I don't expect huge things from Mudiay but I don't think it's crazy for him to rebuild himself and end up similar in impact to a Tyreke Evan's type of player. Tyreke had the opposite path of starting out elite as a rookie and then after years being identified as better suited to a fringe starter to seventh man type of player. Mudiay is strong and not necessarily fast but does have quick burst penetration speed. I get frustrated cause his execution with those abilities is just horrid. He should be at the rim or foul line on most attempts and instead gets into the lane only to pause and throw up off balance attempts often times not even looking at the rim.

[Don Che]

he should be a tyreke/lance stephenson type but he needs more polish and a bit more nasty to his game.

main issue is...he's a kid with no motor and a low IQ along with gaps in his fundamentals...and before you guys assume I'm hating, I'm not I'm just looking at the flaws i see in his games, he's prolly our most talented guard... but he has to conquer a couple of things before he actually helps a team win.

[Koopa Troopa]

I don't expect huge things from Mudiay but I don't think it's crazy for him to rebuild himself and end up similar in impact to a Tyreke Evan's type of player. Tyreke had the opposite path of starting out elite as a rookie and then after years being identified as better suited to a fringe starter to seventh man type of player. Mudiay is strong and not necessarily fast but does have quick burst penetration speed. I get frustrated cause his execution with those abilities is just horrid. He should be at the rim or foul line on most attempts and instead gets into the lane only to pause and throw up off balance attempts often times not even looking at the rim.

I was all about giving him a chance. As of now as the roster stands you probably still start Mudiay with Burke as the microwave off the bench. I dont expect much from Mudiay however.... But Fiz is the X factor. Its up to him to help Mudiay figure it out.

Until that happens Im still looking at PG's in 2019 free agency

[shakespeare]

I'm with you shakes, I still have some hope left for Emmanuel.

[shakespeare]

Mudiay is strong and not necessarily fast but does have quick burst penetration speed. I get frustrated cause his execution with those abilities is just horrid. He should be at the rim or foul line on most attempts and instead gets into the lane only to pause and throw up off balance attempts often times not even looking at the rim.

Perfect summation.

One could not know you were speaking of Mudiay [by name] and still know you were speaking of Mudiay.

[NewlyKnicked]

I don't expect huge things from Mudiay but I don't think it's crazy for him to rebuild himself and end up similar in impact to a Tyreke Evan's type of player. Tyreke had the opposite path of starting out elite as a rookie and then after years being identified as better suited to a fringe starter to seventh man type of player. Mudiay is strong and not necessarily fast but does have quick burst penetration speed. I get frustrated cause his execution with those abilities is just horrid. He should be at the rim or foul line on most attempts and instead gets into the lane only to pause and throw up off balance attempts often times not even looking at the rim.

His numbers are the absolute worst at the rim, that may explain why he doesn't go for it

[taowave]

Yes,hes a hot mess....

He got by being bigger than everyone else,and hes NEVER going to do that in the NBA...

Larry Brown,who loves him,basically called him LAZY...

Do I think he is as bad as he looked with the Knicks?? Probably not,but he needs to come in to camp in shape and with a completely different mindset to have a chance.

Longshot at best

he should be a tyreke/lance stephenson type but he needs more polish and a bit more nasty to his game.

main issue is...he's a kid with no motor and a low IQ along with gaps in his fundamentals...and before you guys assume I'm hating, I'm not I'm just looking at the flaws i see in his games, he's prolly our most talented guard... but he has to conquer a couple of things before he actually helps a team win.

[Don Che]

i know thisroster is far from being done but...just watching the Spurs 2014 highlights and it makes me think about 2 major things.

IQ and Passing from all positions.

I like the athletic movement but we need to combat that with those 2 things and it guides me on how I view our main players going forward.

does KP move the ball well for a 4? How does he defend the 4?
does Knox move the ball wel for a 3? How will he dfend the 3?
Frank? 1 or 2?


looking at it all from a grand scheme...the only passer outside the PG position we have is Noah and Mario....maybe Mudiay but he mind as well play with a helmet but at most..i see him as a back up 2. Either way overall i just see a lotof those 2 things lacking and even tho I know we arent the spurs..no one is but look at how Golden State moves the ball...i dont see how we win big down the line w/o picking with that in mind at some point with who we draft.

[Don Che]

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/knicks-2 ... /294480718

NBC Sports Boston's A. Sherrod Blakely spoke on NBC Sports Chicago's "Bulls Talk" podcast on Wednesday, and he divulged what he is hearing about the Knicks' intentions with Irving in 2019.

"I've spoken with people within that organization," Blakely continued. "They have made it absolutely crystal clear to me that, if they had their pick of guys that are going to be in the free agent market (next) summer, Kyrie would be the first, second, third and fourth choice."

This is.....the worst thing that I could of read but deep down i always knew this was the knicks train of thought.

[spree#8]

And you still can be sure, that nothing of this matters, because Kyrie will stay in Boston. So what?

Because the Knicks have a max slot next summer, we will read thousands of articles linking us with any free agent imaginable and in the end, we will be a lottery team, pick high and resign the guys from our team that played well, while maybe getting an outside free agent in the 15-20 mill range. We will develop just fine, while on the outside there will be a lot of buzz.

Think of it like: who signed with Philly this summer?

[maxinquaye11]

i know thisroster is far from being done but...just watching the Spurs 2014 highlights and it makes me think about 2 major things.

IQ and Passing from all positions.

I like the athletic movement but we need to combat that with those 2 things and it guides me on how I view our main players going forward.

does KP move the ball well for a 4? How does he defend the 4?
does Knox move the ball wel for a 3? How will he dfend the 3?
Frank? 1 or 2?


looking at it all from a grand scheme...the only passer outside the PG position we have is Noah and Mario....maybe Mudiay but he mind as well play with a helmet but at most..i see him as a back up 2. Either way overall i just see a lotof those 2 things lacking and even tho I know we arent the spurs..no one is but look at how Golden State moves the ball...i dont see how we win big down the line w/o picking with that in mind at some point with who we draft.

Answer:
Start Trey and Frank--A better younger version of felton- prigioni

You mentioned ball movement. Remember how this knicks team instantly took care (I.Q) and passed the ball during the 54 win season? immediately after the prigiioni starter insertion? And yeah, that team had ball hog Melo who topped the league in scoring.

go watch knicks 2012-2013 highlights and see.

How the warriors are playing now hoisting a lot of three pointers and moving the ball around with defense was how we played back then.

Look at it this way, it can work because we have scorer kristaps who scores like Melo and other players who play alot like the rest of the 54 win roster.

Burke - Felton ( both scorers trapped in a pg body)
Ntilly - Pablo ( both gnats on defense )
Knox - Shumpert ( both possess above the rim athleticism)
Kristaps - Melo ( both pure shooters and iso scorers)
Thj - JR Smith ( both are instant offense)
Hezonja - Novak ( sniper specialists)
Robinson - Chandler ( vertical lob spacing)
Kanter - Martin ( vet enforcer leaders)
young Mudiay - OLD one-legged Kidd( both missed a ton of layups )
Fizadale - Woodson ( postionless, defense and accountability)


The playstyle similarities are there its actually borderline eerie. What excites me is that we now have a younger taller, longer, more athletic version of that old kingsguard team that gave us a fast and furious 2 seed finish.

If only people can look back and see this vision moving forward..

[Don Che]

I dont mind starting trey and Frank but please stop referencing that overrated roster lol....would never want to use that team as a blueprint for anything.

and kidd just intellectual savvy alone was 3x the player mudiay is.

[spree#8]

That 12-13 roster isn't overrated, it was just old. But our current roster has nothing to do with it. Way worse team now, with hopefully more potential later.

[Don Che]

its not a team to use as a blueprint...ever.

i know you guys love it...since its our one successful year this century but...i want something far more than what that roster had to offer.

[ISIAH_THOMAS]

The Knicks and Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp