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Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 11, 2017, 4:54 pm
by Don Che
i agree his resume looks miserable but the only saving grace and lie i told myself is that he wasnt the MAIN decision maker yet till now.

so he can use all those horrible decisions he's been around and go the other way...similar to Mills hahah

plus they brothas...so i'm riding with them till they give me a real good reason to hate on them.

only minority duo in front office management ....hope they build a winner.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 11, 2017, 5:37 pm
by shakespeare
George Hill acting like Perry duped him into signing with Sacramento http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11/rep ... -playoffs/

Hilarious.

What made Hill believe Sac would compete for a playoffs berth in the Western Conference without no All-NBA talent on the roster? Perry showed Hill the money and he turned around and sold his soul.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 11, 2017, 8:12 pm
by Don Che
how is that duping...them old guys signed to play together...that should be enough lol

plus....they all got PAID to be there.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 11, 2017, 8:15 pm
by Koopa Troopa
Don Che wrote:how is that duping...them old guys signed to play together...that should be enough lol

plus....they all got PAID to be there.


George Hill is averaging 9 3 and 2.5. Thats the real dupe. 20 million a year for back up point guard stats. For 20 mill you would expect at worst 16 and 8. This actually might be the worst signing of all time.

Is someone on here gonna try and spin this into Perry trying to sabotage the Kings from the inside :drunk:

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 11, 2017, 9:11 pm
by taowave
George Hill is a better signing than Noah,Moz or Biyambo

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 4:46 am
by Rusty La Rue
Koopa Troopa wrote:Why ignore peoples resumes entirely? And not only that... coming up with excuses for his terrible signing of Hill. We should be critical. How many times have the Knicks been burned by horrible GM's?

I understand that we wanna give the guy a chance, but would you have hired him after seeing his resume? Would he even been on the list of potential hires? Or even to get an interview? I dunno.


I know you are trying to make this Hill signing the worst in history... But it is not... Hill actually played a good season last year (I know he had some injury problems) but when he was on the court he was good (he did play aroung 50 games so it is an okay sample size). I believe he averaged around 16-17 PPG while shooting around 40% from 3 + he has always been a solid defender... He is 31 not 35. So you would expect he could sustain that production through the contract. In hinsight (which is how you analyze everything Koopa) he has not had a good season and the signing doesn't look good (though there is still time for him to redeem himself) but based on his prior seasons it was not such a horrible deal even though it was diffenitely not a great deal.

There are many bad contracts all over the NBA that are worse than Hill's but that doesn't fit your agenda Koopa... Deng, Moz, Noah, Parsons, Ryan Anderson, Biyombo etc.

So let us give Perry a fair chance and not start insane NYK threads 20 games into our new GM first season (I am looking at you Rebound ;) )

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 5:03 am
by Rusty La Rue
Koopa Troopa wrote:George Hill is averaging 9 3 and 2.5. Thats the real dupe. 20 million a year for back up point guard stats. For 20 mill you would expect at worst 16 and 8. This actually might be the worst signing of all time.


I just found his contract details which makes your point even less valid Koopa:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

His 3 year $57 million deal only $40 million are guaranteed so actually a pretty good deal by Perry... right Koopa?

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 6:46 am
by NewlyKnicked
shakespeare wrote:George Hill acting like Perry duped him into signing with Sacramento http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11/rep ... -playoffs/

Hilarious.

What made Hill believe Sac would compete for a playoffs berth in the Western Conference without no All-NBA talent on the roster? Perry showed Hill the money and he turned around and sold his soul.

Haha :LOL:
Hill is real dumb and/or Perry is a mentalist

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 6:50 am
by NewlyKnicked
I actually wanted George Hill on our team to mentor Frank. My bad :cry: . I really don't get how he got that bad over the offseason. To me, SAC overpaid, but that was because a lot of teams were on Hill's case.

On the other hand, ZBo seems like a pretty decent pickup so far

You miss one, you get one

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 10:47 am
by Don Che
George Hill is a system player....Utah's offense was perfect for him and Indiana's system fit him...Heck even the spurs fit him...see the similarities? Hill is best off the ball as your secondary playmaker.

also he was in a contract year.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 2:32 pm
by spree#8
Koopa Troopa wrote:Why ignore peoples resumes entirely? And not only that... coming up with excuses for his terrible signing of Hill. We should be critical. How many times have the Knicks been burned by horrible GM's?

I understand that we wanna give the guy a chance, but would you have hired him after seeing his resume? Would he even been on the list of potential hires? Or even to get an interview? I dunno.


He was part of the management team that put the Pistons team together that won one chip, got to another finals and made it to the conference finals six seasons in a row. Trading/Signing Ben Wallace, Billups and Hamilton while they were underrated, drafting Prince and trading for Rasheed Wallace as final piece. One of the finest jobs building a team NBA history has seen, because it is the only time in recent memory where executives were able to put a championship roster together without drafting an own franchise talent (their franchise talent Grant Hill wanted out). Reportedly he was even one of the few guys in that front office that was against drafting Militic. That is what stands out in Perry's resume.

Whatever comes now as the responsible shot maker is still up for debate. But I would rather focus on the moves he makes as Knicks GM. So far so good. Fine Melo trade and the minimum signings are understandable, because we don't want to block Ntilikina's path nor put a too good team on the floor to be in the way of another nice draft pick (if there even were better alternatives around that wanted to come for the min).

The one must do on the agenda is clearing the center logjam, but we have until the trade deadline to wait for the best offer - if nothing great is on the table before then.

A second move to look into once we fall behind in the playoff race would be to waive Sessions and add Burke. My guess here is that Burke wanted to get the playing time in the G-League to build his confidence up again before rejoining the big league as a reserve. He is a free agent, so it only makes sense for Burke to sign with us if he can be at least the back-up behind Ntilikina - who likely will only get promoted later in the season and in case we are behind in the playoff race. So a little patience is needed here and we have to figure out how Burke sees himself.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 3:47 pm
by cragganmor
His signature move in his very short tenure is the melo trade. Are you questioning who won that deal? Also, he brought in jj. What's the grade on that deal? Everything else, he inherited from PJ and mills.

Seriously, is the expectation that we should be atop the conference? How realistic is that? Is it bad to just change our culture to a winning one? How many teams have gone from bottom feeders to contenders in 1 season?

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 4:25 pm
by Koopa Troopa
First of all I dont appreciate saying I only judge deals through hindsight. I wouldnt have given Hill that kind of money no matter what. I didnt know what his stats were last year or this year until I wrote that last post. Stop that. Hill was never a great starting guard in the NBA. Like said earlier by Don, he is a system player. Now I wouldnt say he was great in Indiana though. He just played his role. He isnt a star type NBA PG. And as far as his deal being only 2 years guaranteed....two years too many for that price. Thats star money. Same with Ron Baker here on a lesser level. His deal is trash.

Next I find it hard to give him any credit for the Pistons. That was over 10 years ago and more than likely Perry was just paying his dues bringing everyone coffee. The only time his name started to really be thrown out there is in his later jobs. Perry himself likes to brag about Detroit and never mentions any of his positions in other teams. Just ignores the rest of his resume.

Here you go Rusty, this was discussing Lance Stephenson and why he didnt do well on teams that werent Indy:
Koopa Troopa wrote:I like to think he worked in Indy cause George Hill wasnt much of a PG. Lance was the playmaker. In Charlotte thats Kemba, on the Clips thats Paul, on the Grizz thats Conley. The Knicks are in dire need of a playmaker, he fits the bill :thumbsup:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39168&p=684788&hilit=+george+hill#p684788

Dont come at me with that nonsense...I never thought much of Hill. :hammer:

And man why didnt the Knicks end up scooping up Lance for cheap anyway?? Oh well. :?

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 4:30 pm
by Don Che
I peronsally have nothing to say in regards to Perry's past...its bad lol or just underwhelming

but i i will judge the melo trade and we have done well on that deal.

in regards to Baker he will be a rotation guard moving forward...he brings too much to the game. And these days 4 mill per for a guy in your rotation and your team is .500 thats a solid deal in my eyes.

Baker is also a system player we are just lucky its our system he fits in.

Frank/Tim
Jack/Baker

will be the rotation later in the year i hope.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 4:34 pm
by Koopa Troopa
Don Che wrote:I peronsally have nothing to say in regards to Perry's past...its bad lol or just underwhelming

but i i will judge the melo trade and we have done well on that deal.

in regards to Baker he will be a rotation guard moving forward...he brings too much to the game. And these days 4 mill per for a guy in your rotation and your team is .500 thats a solid deal in my eyes.

Baker is also a system player we are just lucky its our system he fits in.

Frank/Tim
Jack/Baker

will be the rotation later in the year i hope.


Thats fine if you think that, Baker to me is dead weight and doesnt belong. A few decent games against the two worst teams in the NBA mean nothing to me. :?

And it is fair to judge Perry based on what he has done here. But his past scares the hell out of me and really makes me wonder what the hiring process of GM was like. :?

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 12, 2017, 4:49 pm
by Don Che
very true i think it was someone mills trusts and knows personally.

Baker was a rookie last year and played plenty of games last year and competed against everyone. he got beat some days like all rooks and had some strong games as well...remember a couple 11/8/7 type games. And I think he proved to be a rotation guy...esp for 4 mill...George hill is making what 18...what is Crabbe making? everyone is getting paid

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 13, 2017, 2:26 pm
by Rusty La Rue
Koopa Troopa wrote:First of all I dont appreciate saying I only judge deals through hindsight. I wouldnt have given Hill that kind of money no matter what. I didnt know what his stats were last year or this year until I wrote that last post. Stop that. Hill was never a great starting guard in the NBA. Like said earlier by Don, he is a system player. Now I wouldnt say he was great in Indiana though. He just played his role. He isnt a star type NBA PG. And as far as his deal being only 2 years guaranteed....two years too many for that price. Thats star money. Same with Ron Baker here on a lesser level. His deal is trash.

Next I find it hard to give him any credit for the Pistons. That was over 10 years ago and more than likely Perry was just paying his dues bringing everyone coffee. The only time his name started to really be thrown out there is in his later jobs. Perry himself likes to brag about Detroit and never mentions any of his positions in other teams. Just ignores the rest of his resume.

And man why didnt the Knicks end up scooping up Lance for cheap anyway?? Oh well. :?


Well Koopa you started with the nonsense trying to sell Hill's contract as the worst of all time... No one here is saying if is a great contract... I just couldn't sit back when you called it the worst of all time...

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 13, 2017, 3:37 pm
by Koopa Troopa
I was channeling my inner Bill Walton.

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: December 13, 2017, 6:05 pm
by Rusty La Rue
Koopa Troopa wrote:I was channeling my inner Bill Walton.


Okay... that explains a lot :laugh:

Re: It's time to start questioning Perry

PostPosted: January 5, 2018, 9:38 am
by rebound
Kind of a bad look when the Rose gamble and Jennings signing seem like much better tries than signing Sessions and Jack.