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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby taowave » November 23, 2017, 10:56 am

I get where Spree is coming from,and I agree for different reasons.

To me a trade is a trade,and in any trade one hopes to get value at a fair price if not a discount.There is a reason the Spurs have been so good for so long.The problem is it seems like obtaining a Kyrie is the exception to the rule,while the Currrys are more the norm in our case.





gradyandrew wrote:taowave, it's the double down aspect which spree is opposed to. as long as you're trading players, you're still able to capitalize on however things work out on the court. But once you start trading future draft picks, you're really rolling the dice, because if you do suck, you'll be sucking for even longer. my guess is gm spree would be cool with trade deadline pick trades because at that point at least the range would be more limited.

His point is that no one is that much of a savant that they should be doubling down. (Unless it's Isiah). There is only so long you should theoretically suck for if you're drafting the likes of lamarcus Aldridge, joakim Noah, gordan Hayward and so on.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby spree#8 » November 23, 2017, 2:05 pm

gradyandrew wrote:taowave, it's the double down aspect which spree is opposed to. as long as you're trading players, you're still able to capitalize on however things work out on the court. But once you start trading future draft picks, you're really rolling the dice, because if you do suck, you'll be sucking for even longer. my guess is gm spree would be cool with trade deadline pick trades because at that point at least the range would be more limited.

His point is that no one is that much of a savant that they should be doubling down. (Unless it's Isiah). There is only so long you should theoretically suck for if you're drafting the likes of lamarcus Aldridge, joakim Noah, gordan Hayward and so on.


Good post. Yeah, I have not much of a problem trading first-round picks when you have a grasp of the actual value of those picks. But the risk of trading future picks away when you have only a vague and short-term plan how to improve from being bad is almost always too high.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby Championship 16/17 » November 24, 2017, 12:09 pm

Really good posts from gradyandrew throughout this topic, cosigned a 100% percent of it.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby taowave » November 24, 2017, 3:12 pm

Spree,here is the thing..As we know firsthand,if a GM makes a trade with only a vague and short term plan,hes probably a very bad GM and halfway out the door.

More to the point,in trading,if you are taking down more volatility = greater uncertainty,any decent trader/GM will make adjustments to buffer the potential volatility of the trade. One example is protecting the pick. In the financial markets its adjusting your position size as you take on more unceretainty.I fully agree that as you take on more risk,you adjust accordingly,or don't make the trade.

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Good post. Yeah, I have not much of a problem trading first-round picks when you have a grasp of the actual value of those picks. But the risk of trading future picks away when you have only a vague and short-term plan how to improve from being bad is almost always too high.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby Stressin » November 24, 2017, 6:43 pm

Right now .. The Atlantic Division are the Hottest winning Division in the league ..
NBA teams are not happy playing any of the Atlantic Division teams these days, even the Brooklyn Nets has been snatching more wins then expected.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby gradyandrew » November 26, 2017, 9:25 am

taowave, what kind of financial instrument do you think mimics a draft pick? Because I keep thinking that the NBA different than the market in that the biggest losers get one of the biggest prizes. I'd rank making the conference finals above getting the number one pick, but I think most years I'd prefer the number one to elite eight/ playoff second round.

I don't know what the exact cut off is for each team, but at some point it makes more sense to lose thanwin. So trading unprotected future draft picks (without even the 'when bad' caveat) has that possibilityof costing way more than the average value, especially if it's multiple years in a row because then you don't get any chance to recover.

So what's a financial instrument with a fixed payout (the player being acquired) but a variable cost?
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby ISIAH_THOMAS » January 5, 2018, 11:24 pm

This team is way back

They are going to need a lot to keep up with Philly and Boston

Don't sleep on Brooklyn either with a full healthy team they could be decent next year and Atkinson can coach
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby shakespeare » January 7, 2018, 8:54 am

ISIAH_THOMAS wrote:
They are going to need a lot to keep up with Philly and Boston



I was thinking the same after watching highlights of the '18 Draft expected lottery picks. Celtics and Sixers are gonna add to their already talented pool of present and future All-NBAers.
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Re: The future of the Atlantic divsion

Postby taowave » January 7, 2018, 12:56 pm

It's a path dependent option.Let me think for a moment and moment..In plain vanilla terms,you are short volatily at seemingly attractive price..Fixed return,but could explode in your face.

gradyandrew wrote:taowave, what kind of financial instrument do you think mimics a draft pick? Because I keep thinking that the NBA different than the market in that the biggest losers get one of the biggest prizes. I'd rank making the conference finals above getting the number one pick, but I think most years I'd prefer the number one to elite eight/ playoff second round.

I don't know what the exact cut off is for each team, but at some point it makes more sense to lose thanwin. So trading unprotected future draft picks (without even the 'when bad' caveat) has that possibilityof costing way more than the average value, especially if it's multiple years in a row because then you don't get any chance to recover.

So what's a financial instrument with a fixed payout (the player being acquired) but a variable cost?
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