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Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 18, 2017, 4:45 pm
by shakespeare
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2017 NBA Mock Draft: Top Prospects and 1st-Round Predictions Following Lottery http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2710 ... ng-lottery


BR's mock draft has 6ers drafting Jackson, Timbs grabbing Ntilikina and Monk to Knicks.

I can see Thibs drafting Ntilikina.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 18, 2017, 4:50 pm
by thewatcher
^^ exactly, love sweet-Lou,; at the lottery Monk was asked what surprises he has, and he beamed and said "I can really play the pick-and -roll", and you know what...I believed him, Fox made him play the two, but Monk is going to be a like Isiah Thomas only bigger.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 18, 2017, 4:51 pm
by shakespeare
8. New York Knicks: Malik Monk

It would be pretty hard for the Knicks to pass on Monk’s starry upside in this scenario. He’s one of the best pure shooters in the draft and presents a ton of possibilities despite measurables that leave a bit to be desired. If Melo’s headed out of town, New York will need someone else to score the ball and would be justified in turning to Monk in hopes that he evolves into a lethal one-two punch alongside Kristaps Porzingis. Monk won’t be ready from day one, but would make an electrifying fit in the Garden if all breaks correctly.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/05/17/nba-m ... kers-76ers


SI's mock draft also has Monk to Knicks.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 18, 2017, 4:59 pm
by shakespeare
thewatcher wrote:and you know what...I believed him


Me too, me too. Even if New York walks away with neither player, I don't think we've seen the absolute best of Fox and Monk.

IDK, but if it's true that Kentucky's basketball system holds back its blue chippers (I didn't expect Towns nor Booker to be so good in the NBA), I gotta believe Fox and Monk's games will translate well in the league.



Knicks brass sit down with De’Aaron Fox, Malik Monk ahead of NBA Draft http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.3177407


To think that neither of these outstanding collegiate players may go in the Top 3 really shows the amount of talent in this draft.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 18, 2017, 5:52 pm
by ISIAH_THOMAS

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:43 am
by NewlyKnicked
I agree 7th or 8th should not be life-changing in this draft.

I'm new and not very knowledgeable so idk but was it a certainty that we would have drafted curry at 7th or would jordan hill just got a spot higher? who knows if stephen would have become curry playing for the knicks? I understand the frustration tho...

I'm fine with the 4 guys mentioned in the poll (even though I think isaac is a 4 and we already have the greatest PF to be). Then I think it's more or less 33% chance (mainly injuries), 33% work, 33% environment (mostly coaching staff carving the diamond out of the gem or fucking it up)

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:47 am
by NewlyKnicked
For the sake of argument, here is Franky playing against adults in Euroleague (highest European level) in March

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2m7EBAMyYk

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 5:36 am
by cragganmor
if we pick frank, we get a team-first player who defends, shoots and passes well, but needs to improve his burst and finish to the cup, get stronger. he's likely to be a better version of pat beverly.

if we choose dsj, we get a player with elite athleticism and strength​, shooting, can get to the basket in transition, but needs to improve his decision making in the halfcourt and consistent defensive focus. he's likely to be russell westbrook lite, will need more time to develop.

if monk is our pick, then we are getting an athletic volume shooter that moves and cuts well off the ball. he needs to get stronger and tighen his dribble to be more than a 6th man. his floor is lou williams.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 8:37 am
by Mr. Glass
My question to the board is this:

Of the guys mentioned in the poll (including Somebody Else), who is the headiest/most cerebral? Athletics aside, who's best to (eventually) run this team as Phil envisions it?

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 9:12 am
by Don Che
Mr. Glass wrote:My question to the board is this:

Of the guys mentioned in the poll (including Somebody Else), who is the headiest/most cerebral? Athletics aside, who's best to (eventually) run this team as Phil envisions it?



If I'm going purely based off that question...not looking at athletics....Josh Hart would be my guess

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 9:47 am
by nbafreak724
Question: What is Malik Monk's ability as PG? His superb shooting is obviously his selling point but Is he someone that can be groomed into taking the point guard reigns for this franchise for years to come?

Frank seems to be more of a PG prospect, but obviously there's a cloud of mystery around him. While Monk is more of the proven player, and I agree with many of you saying that he seems to be the type who can eventually turn into a star.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 11:17 am
by Don Che
we as fans are really over glorifying PG and SG w/o understanding that it doesnt matter in the way its discussed.

Monk can guard the other teams PG's and play off the ball on offense

Frank can be a playmaker and guard the other teams SG

Your position is who you defend...offense doesnt dictate what position you are.

So with that said..Frank can be a SG/PG....Monk can only be a PG. He shouldnt be guarding at SG's for a extended period of time.

If you draft Frank you have to compensate his lack of scoring and get another primary playmaker.

If you draft Monk you have to comepensate his lack of playmaking/defense.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 11:38 am
by H20Knick
Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Teague, Holiday... all SGs coming out of high school, all played mostly SG in college, all run the offenses for their respective teams now.

I'm cosigning Don on this one.

What's really interesting is that Frank and Monk would probably work really well together. Only Knicks fans have Frank ranked as high as the 8 spot. He'd probably still be there at 10. I saw some debates on Twitter circling around about this... so I gotta ask. Would you guys do Willy and 8 to the Kings for 5 and 10? Risky if it doesnt work out because Willy is a double double machine... but he also doesn't defend and it's a wing's game now.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 12:25 pm
by spree#8
H20Knick wrote:Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Teague, Holiday... all SGs coming out of high school, all played mostly SG in college, all run the offenses for their respective teams now.

I'm cosigning Don on this one.

What's really interesting is that Frank and Monk would probably work really well together. Only Knicks fans have Frank ranked as high as the 8 spot. He'd probably still be there at 10. I saw some debates on Twitter circling around about this... so I gotta ask. Would you guys do Willy and 8 to the Kings for 5 and 10? Risky if it doesnt work out because Willy is a double double machine... but he also doesn't defend and it's a wing's game now.


Not sure how you get that trade done. Willy doesn't get you the 10th pick in this year's draft and 8 is worse than 5th. So how do you convince the Kings?

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 1:34 pm
by nbafreak724
If Monk is available at 8 (which I will be surprised if he is), I think we need to take him. Got the shooting down, and I think he should easily be able to morph into a lead guard.

DSJ vs. Frank I guess is the real debate since they will likely be both available when it comes for us to pick. (I think the Wolves are gonna snag Issac)

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 2:28 pm
by Don Che
I'd be shocked if Monk is taken before 8th. Philly is the only team that may take him in the top 8.

Dennis looks like hes gone by 8

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:10 pm
by H20Knick
spree#8 wrote:
Not sure how you get that trade done. Willy doesn't get you the 10th pick in this year's draft and 8 is worse than 5th. So how do you convince the Kings?



This is the Sacramento Kings, Spree. You dont need logic here.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:21 pm
by Don Che
I'd keep Will, he fits our offense and gives all positive energy at this point.

Plus hes on a great deal AND.....him and KP are brothers. I wouldnt break that up just yet.

Even if Will doesnt end up being a starter...he could easily be our first big off the bench and a big scoring option for us. Similar to Enes Kanter/Taj Gibson/Luis Scola for their teams...To me thats the floor of who he is based off last year. His PER stats were impressive like 16/14 type guy doubt he gets there but even if he becomes a 15/11 type player..you dont trade him

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:34 pm
by H20Knick
at some point though don, KP needs to grow up and play C.

Re: 8th pick.. (Make Your Choice)

PostPosted: May 19, 2017, 3:48 pm
by taowave
Nice cut to the chase..
kP,kOak,Noah and Willie..

I don't see KP chasing stretch fours forever.
At 7'3", someone may want to ask KP if he thinks he's man enough to bang down low:)

Then again,with Melo gone,who is our 4 assuming kP plays the 5?

Ild give Willie another year. Like to see him play without baby fat.






H20Knick wrote:at some point though don, KP needs to grow up and play C.