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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Mr. Glass » December 5, 2016, 2:58 pm

Don Che wrote:in theory noel and kp work but in the playoffs you need a 250+ athlete out there.

Noel would struggle in those gruesome 7 game battles


One part of HenanG or KOQ should remedy that tho.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby taowave » December 5, 2016, 8:17 pm

I could see Thibs wanting Noah and moving Rubio,but I don't see how we get Noel. Would you throw in our number 1 pick?


lxn_ wrote:hope this happens.. noah to wolves, rubio to philly, noel to ny looolll
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby noypi » December 5, 2016, 9:48 pm

lxn_ wrote:hope this happens.. noah to wolves, rubio to philly, noel to ny looolll


Too good to be true. I wonder if we have to include our 1st rounder? If it's for Noah and 2nd round picks then I'm all for it.

Also, I'm thinking of Lance Thomas and our 1st round pick to move up the draft. That way, we free up some cap room and get a higher pick. I think teams who want some wing depth and a glue guy would want LT since he's locked up for 4 years at a very reasonable contract.

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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby nazrmohamed » December 6, 2016, 1:25 am

[quote="taowave"]I could see Thibs wanting Noah and moving Rubio,but I don't see how we get Noel. Would you throw in our number 1 pick?

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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby H20Knick » December 6, 2016, 10:20 am

I don't at all subscribe to "you need a slow plodding center in 2016"....

but nerlens noel barely weighs more than ron baker...

(granted, noah's listed weight is only a couple pounds more)
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Mr. Glass » December 6, 2016, 10:47 am

H20Knick wrote:I don't at all subscribe to "you need a slow plodding center in 2016"....

but nerlens noel barely weighs more than ron baker...

(granted, noah's listed weight is only a couple pounds more)


- Porzingis - 7'3 and 240
- Noel - 6'11 and 228
- Noah - 6'11 and 230

Kevin Garnett was 6'11 and 240. Noel has almost the exact body structure as KG (he was even lighter as a rook). Noel will beast once he leaves Philly. That would be a wiry frontcourt for sure, but long AF. The athleticism would be "stupendous" (thanks Clyde). We would need to keep some ass on the bench tho (KOQ, WHG and Plumbs).
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby lxn_ » December 6, 2016, 11:07 am

H20Knick wrote:I don't at all subscribe to "you need a slow plodding center in 2016"....

but nerlens noel barely weighs more than ron baker...

(granted, noah's listed weight is only a couple pounds more)


was also trying to find out what noel's weight is at the moment cuz last season he was about 230+ I hope he can get to 240-245 range. I know he can easily get backed down but by who? In the east theres not much dominant centers who can just straight up back down people outside of Drummond, Okafor. Noel is a pretty good rebounder, elite rim protector,good finisher and above all he is only 22.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Don Che » December 6, 2016, 1:35 pm

that noah/noel/rubio trade actually makes sense for all teams imo...noah isn't as bad as you guys think he is at all and thibs knows that.

and Noah now and KG last year is basically the same thing.

Rubio/Embiid would do damage.

They just gotta flip okafor for a wing player and thats an interesting team when simmons comes back.


If anything...we are taking a lot of risk with noel barely playing every year...with a torn acl from 2013. But the upside is having a Mutumbo presence with KP plus he can defend the perimter and make us a much faster team overall.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » December 6, 2016, 1:35 pm

Mr. Glass wrote:- Porzingis - 7'3 and 240
- Noel - 6'11 and 228
- Noah - 6'11 and 230

Kevin Garnett was 6'11 and 240. Noel has almost the exact body structure as KG (he was even lighter as a rook). Noel will beast once he leaves Philly. That would be a wiry frontcourt for sure, but long AF. The athleticism would be "stupendous" (thanks Clyde). We would need to keep some ass on the bench tho (KOQ, WHG and Plumbs).

I agree...

Lack of weight has never been an issue for some of the leagues best shot blockers. It's their timing/athleticism/quickness which help make up for them being "undersized". And Noel possesses all of those things. He and Putback-P together would be a tough combination to score against...

I'm #teamNoah but I wouldn't snooze at the opportunity to replace him with Noel. 8-)
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Don Che » December 6, 2016, 1:42 pm

I'm curious to know how "shot blocking" is in relation to good defensive teams.

no doubt noel and kp would block shots..noel even gets steals but when we go against a marc gasol/dwight/cousins/adams type of guys...how would we do having 2 skinny guys in the paint.

they are both easy guys to box out when the playoffs come and the wars start....to be fair i might be wildin since i saw the knicks hornets playoff series in 1993 yesterday in which our small forward at that time weighs more than both of those guys.

Maybe its not as serious as im making it out to be.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » December 6, 2016, 1:48 pm

^^^
Well fortunately for us we'll still have O'Quinn and/or the Spanish Jorts on the roster to balance things out...
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Don Che » December 6, 2016, 1:58 pm

KnicksFanInSouthFL wrote:^^^
Well fortunately for us we'll still have O'Quinn and/or the Spanish Jorts on the roster to balance things out...


And Lord Marshall....if he can hit a 15 foot jumper he may be a legit back up one day.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby n8 the gr8 » December 6, 2016, 2:16 pm

KnicksFanInSouthFL wrote:^^^
Well fortunately for us we'll still have O'Quinn and/or the Spanish Jorts on the roster to balance things out...

Yeah it's true, having that pair is a nice commodity that is a big part of why this makes sense to me.

In most cases you can justify leaving KP on the floor in mismatches because he'll still cause problems on offense. But Noel's limitations on offense would make it hard at times. I don't really like the idea of committing to guys that don't have a consistent mid-range shot at this point, but if it's moving Noah for one it's a non-issue.

I wouldn't include a first round pick unless it's a draft-night trade though, or if it's like top-7ish protected.
KnicksFanInSouthFL wrote:So stop lookin' at the guy through Rose colored glasses because this current version of Putback-P could just as well likely be his final form.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Mr. Glass » December 6, 2016, 3:03 pm

KnicksFanInSouthFL wrote:I'm #teamNoah but I wouldn't snooze at the opportunity to replace him with Noel. 8-)


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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby cragganmor » December 6, 2016, 5:24 pm

I'd like to keep the roster together, get the best pg available this summer; whether that is rose, tpm or whoever, then so be it. use our 1st rounder on a swingman.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby NYGM » December 6, 2016, 5:34 pm

Is Noel even available?

Seems to fit better with Embid than Okafor..
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby Don Che » December 6, 2016, 5:50 pm

Seems like they are revolving the situation with embiid. Okafor is a goner also just not till the minute restriction is off of embiid.

noel doesnt wanna be there and once simmons shows up...theres no need for him or okafor.

philly is hilarious..they dont get it that if they trade okafor for the right wing player...they can make the playoffs this year...they always look 3 years ahead without seeing what could be right now.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby KnicksFanInSouthFL » December 6, 2016, 6:55 pm

^^^
Trust the process... 8-)
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby lxn_ » December 7, 2016, 3:24 am

NYGM wrote:Is Noel even available?

Seems to fit better with Embid than Okafor..


I think he said he wants out.. with embiid being able to shoot the 3 pretty good and defend the rim Okafor might actually fit better next to him.
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Re: Knicks 2017 Free Agency

Postby ISIAH_THOMAS » December 15, 2016, 8:12 pm

I think Rose is goign to battle Jrue Holiday for who knicks sign next season for PG. Jrue brother is on this team which should only help if they plan to go after him.
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